tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020036606005757534.post3524173392453379273..comments2024-02-16T00:48:56.686-08:00Comments on The Man Who Painted Agnieszka's Shoes: Sharp TeethAgnieszkas Shoeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07831763071877082489noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020036606005757534.post-3250345651863257212010-01-13T22:40:36.838-08:002010-01-13T22:40:36.838-08:00i like it. thank for sharing us.i like it. thank for sharing us.Utility Trailer Parts Salehttp://www.thehitchmaninc.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020036606005757534.post-55726400713757561282009-12-31T16:04:47.970-08:002009-12-31T16:04:47.970-08:00aha - yes indeed. I've been thiking for a whil...aha - yes indeed. I've been thiking for a while (itr's on my Crystal Kindles post I think) how cool it would be to combine geocaching and bluetooth to create some kind of local digital storytelling. The possibilities are incredibly exciting aren't they!Agnieszkas Shoeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831763071877082489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020036606005757534.post-80369314654519990662009-12-31T10:02:39.853-08:002009-12-31T10:02:39.853-08:00Hey Dan, to see the world in a grain of sand and i...Hey Dan, to see the world in a grain of sand and infinity in an hour... <br /><br />Imagine if you published a book of poems which could only be accessed using a GPS-equipped device, so that say all 36 poems could only be read at one of the poles, and a single poem could be read at each of the meridians around the equator.<br /><br />Or an anthology of poems that showcased local poets wherever you were... the hyperlocal web could get very exciting very soon.P. M. Hollotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542635131280325135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020036606005757534.post-27644588919909592102009-12-31T03:01:50.940-08:002009-12-31T03:01:50.940-08:00Happy New Year, Piers. I love the Derridean games ...Happy New Year, Piers. I love the Derridean games - the way things constantly elude, the way categorisation insantly creates the uncategorisable.<br /><br />Thank you in particular for that first point - the infinite and the absolutely specific through GPS/IP address. I hadn't thought about that before - and of course that infinity/absolute specificity thing is absolutely fascinating - this year I came across Kyoto school philosophy for the first time, which opened my eyes to a huge number of possibilities in this area.Agnieszkas Shoeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831763071877082489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020036606005757534.post-673979141278355532009-12-30T17:34:15.640-08:002009-12-30T17:34:15.640-08:00Aha! Time and Space! Female and Male! etc etc etc....Aha! Time and Space! Female and Male! etc etc etc. This "webcourse" takes place in a ubiquitous space, that is all places and none, all people and none; or, wel, maybe it isn't. You either have no idea where an idea comes from, or GPS coordinates down to the subsecond; the speaker is anonymous, or you know his/her most intimate life histories. The pendulum shifts, and I think we are moving more towards precision at the moment.<br /><br />But of this I am sure: "webcourse" defies axioms; it is idiomatic and it is pragmatic and it leaks like a sieve; it appears to align with the thoughts of Luce Irigaray and Donna Harraway more readily than those of Harold Bloom.<br /><br />And in a Derridean sense, as soon as you begin to tag a narrative with hooks for "deeper" meaning, it becomes meta-narrative. I have written before about movement towards pseudo-oral narrative, but I'm not sure if this is actually at stake here; we must become more aware of the *envelope* in which the story itself is delivered, whether it is voiced or not.<br /><br />Wish I had more time to follow this whole discussion - Happy New Year to all :)P. M. Hollotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542635131280325135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020036606005757534.post-70012827690892270002009-12-30T11:12:47.386-08:002009-12-30T11:12:47.386-08:00Possibly a bit tangential to the gender debate, bu...Possibly a bit tangential to the gender debate, but any work set pre-internet days, even say 1980's, automatically becomes a work of historical fiction as it is so hard to match that world to our own contemporary one?Sulci Collectivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03293833259808943096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020036606005757534.post-63725071710522020162009-12-30T04:12:56.337-08:002009-12-30T04:12:56.337-08:00@kashicat - yes, I was deliberately singling out o...@kashicat - yes, I was deliberately singling out only one strand of the argument for the reasons I gave in response to Marc. The "bursting out" language you use is a great way to eplain power dynamics in a Derridean sense (the double reading) - I used to explain it to my students using the analogy of a pie crust (food, of course!). The harder one presses on the pie crust, the more likely the gravy is to spill out somewhere!<br /><br />@Anne you seem to have a great knack of adapting in just the right way to the right circumstancesAgnieszkas Shoeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831763071877082489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020036606005757534.post-11741557679572225272009-12-30T04:06:30.213-08:002009-12-30T04:06:30.213-08:00@Marc - I agree that getting people to question is...@Marc - I agree that getting people to question is a monumental task. I DO think the answers are independent of that questioning though. Webcourse either is or isn't feminising literature regardless of what we think about it or how we use it. And asking those questions may, i think, help us understand people's reactions to it, and may also open up new possibilities. If something IS a certain way, then how we use it is never simply a matter of imposing our own volition upon it - because the ultimate subject may not be us but the structure itself.<br /><br />@Sarah - that's probably why I like it :p<br /><br />@Jenn - yes, what I forgot to refer to in the post is the Derridean idea of double reading. The way attempts to impose structure/power always create resisitances. To the extent that the digital era is the apogee of the technologisation of the world (in the Greek sense of "techne" as mainpulation and taming by design and skill), cyberSPACE as an entity utterly independednt but enfolded within the heart of that technologisation may well be the act of ultimate resistance - which, of course, explains the fear-conquer-laugh reaction.Agnieszkas Shoeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831763071877082489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020036606005757534.post-12690890300674048662009-12-30T00:41:11.875-08:002009-12-30T00:41:11.875-08:00I've never had any problems expressing in male...I've never had any problems expressing in male driven terms. I think 'male' most of the time, and even though I'm terribly feminine on the outside in terms of how I look and how men perceive and relate to me, I've more of a masculine brain (that is, if you discount my lack of sense of direction).<br />I've questioned the web, but have given way to the fact that there is no 'winning' position for any of us.<br />You adapt or get out of the way, and I'm going no where. I shall be male when I have to be and female when it pleases me. :-)Anne Lyken-Garnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01425485414456096031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020036606005757534.post-76981865819852525932009-12-29T16:01:40.165-08:002009-12-29T16:01:40.165-08:00Hm. I'm sure the two are related, but I would ...Hm. I'm sure the two are related, but I would have put it differently. Not in masculine/feminine terms, but capitalist/egalitarian terms. It's the marketers I see trying to nail everything down on the internet and make sure everything fits under a prescribed label. And that everything, above all else, can be bought and sold and have a dollar value slapped onto it -- like there's no other sort of value at all. Everything becomes a commodity.<br /><br />I see this restricting the freedom of the internet more every day. Or not restricting it so much (because I think someone is always breaking through those attempts at restriction). A new form of freedom bursts out (YouTube, Twitter), and instantly the marketers descend upon it and rigidify it and stomp the life out of it. So it bursts out again somewhere else.<br /><br />As I said, I'm sure there's a connection between my conception and yours. Though I don't necessarily believe that capitalism is a male/patriarchal endeavour (I know some horrifically mercenary women) or that a more egalitarian system is more intrinsically feminine. But I'm sure there are interconnections.Phyl/kashicathttp://bookishgal.shinyideas.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020036606005757534.post-85346833845478085902009-12-29T15:17:02.561-08:002009-12-29T15:17:02.561-08:00OH THERE'S SO MUCH TO SAY ON THIS!!!
thanks ...OH THERE'S SO MUCH TO SAY ON THIS!!! <br /><br />thanks for posting a thoughtful analysis. <br /><br />i'm coming from 100 different directions. the post-pre-post feminist feminism, and the anti-un-pre-post-post feminism. (ok, yes, i'm making fun of labels.) i'll keep it brief, or at least briefer than i usually would. <br /><br />nothing is more feminine than social media. it's the girliest of girly media and communication. <br /><br />but your post is about literature, a separate point. but the sharing of literature, and the sharing of thoughts about literature, and the sharing of feelings about those thoughts of literature and its writers is an inherently feminine concept realized to the nth degree. <br /><br />i'm not disagreeing with you at all. but the feminine has indeed *penetrated* the patriarchy of the technologics and girled it all up. Lacan would have been pleased at the indictment of male technologics by the feminine social media: something about hating on the scientists because they murdered nature to study it? <br /><br />to be continued. <br /><br />thanks. <br /><br />~jennjenn to the thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08363093508110298095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020036606005757534.post-35655930654136315112009-12-29T15:14:43.380-08:002009-12-29T15:14:43.380-08:00I totally get this and never really realised it be...I totally get this and never really realised it before. Maybe this is why I don't like the internet writing scene as much? Too feminine.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15277986037840711382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020036606005757534.post-45089641257537805002009-12-29T15:09:29.458-08:002009-12-29T15:09:29.458-08:00I think I'm also saying that these are not new...I think I'm also saying that these are not new debates, just being grafted on to new media discourses. But if we couldn't successfully sort out a new language back then, with all the goodwill and intent and University tenures in trendy subjects, then what the hell chance have we now in this age of cynicism, disillusionment and disinterest? maybe the permutations of so many people contributing their thoughts online might mean we strike lucky through increased probabilities, but don't hold you breath.Sulci Collectivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03293833259808943096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020036606005757534.post-73808149367438891542009-12-29T14:54:52.087-08:002009-12-29T14:54:52.087-08:00Male and female conceptions of space were somethin...Male and female conceptions of space were something I explored in my theatre work.<br /><br />I share Jennifer's gloomy prognosis of a general lack of interest in pursuing any of these ideas outside of a few obsessive explorers like some of usSulci Collectivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03293833259808943096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020036606005757534.post-6164345455217969552009-12-29T14:47:29.609-08:002009-12-29T14:47:29.609-08:00Marc, yes, this was intended to be a simplificatio...Marc, yes, this was intended to be a simplification (or I'd have filled half cyberspace - now there's something that needs theoretical analysis - the fact that we can never talk of the proportion of fulness of cyberspace). I agree that much feminism is very wanting because it refuses to give equal footnig to other fracture points. I have latched onto gender here because I wrote at length about race and clss a few months ago (from pitch to perpetuation of privilege). It's also what I studied. I'm fascinated by the way we conceptualise space, and what fills space - and as a writer I am amazed so little conceptualisation of cyberspace occurs. At work I see proposals for doctorates working on the internet and culture - and the lack of theoretical rigor amazes em. It's as though we have been sucked in by the sop that the internet is (sorry, this isn't intended to pick up your phrase) gender-neutral. Maybe it is. Maybe. But shouldn't we be asking the qeustion?!<br /><br />Jennifer - yes, I absolutely see it as part of a wider malaise - a very worrying one. I hope that the new decade will see a restoration of the critica thinking that seemed to be everywhere in the 90s but has disappeared.<br /><br />The male gaze of the lens - that's a fascinating subject - I remember when I was a postgrad Lapaglia was at her prime. Exciting times again - tehre's very little like that now - the one person I've come across this decade who excites me in that way is Rey Chow - but for all her amazing work on Chinatowns her theories are woefully simplistic (or rather underdeveloped)Agnieszkas Shoeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831763071877082489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020036606005757534.post-31331014657570506332009-12-29T14:21:48.443-08:002009-12-29T14:21:48.443-08:00Very interesting points.
I have always explored ...Very interesting points. <br /><br />I have always explored the masculine nature of visual communication (the male gaze, and all) and women filmmakers needing to use that masculine medium to communicate their messages. I had never thought of written language in those same terms.<br /><br />The sad thing about our current society, though, is the lack of questioning of anything. I see so little critical thinking going on that I fear that the movie Idiocracy will come true.Jennifer Rolandhttp://jennifer-roland.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020036606005757534.post-36263175626658653852009-12-29T14:21:36.534-08:002009-12-29T14:21:36.534-08:00I agree with the analysis of point 1) In fragmenti...I agree with the analysis of point 1) In fragmenting snippets of discourse etc, but don't see that as necessarily feminine even if superficially it resembles earlier feminist forms of expression. <br /><br />In fact, I see the internet as potentially non-gender since people are bodyless on it and can take whatever form and gender they choose to present. The problem with some of the pontificating on language from the 80's is that remedies to male, bourgeoise Western European discourse, was encouraged to take all sorts of splintering forms, eg ethnicity, gender, class etc. Oh for the literature that attacks male discourse simultaneously on all fronts.<br /><br />And re vagina dentata, there's a discourse on it throughout my novel. There's an attempt at a female contemplation of coitus and post-coital relationship and in another novel, a wider inquiry into the politics of sex and reproduction and whether there is any point in either.Sulci Collectivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03293833259808943096noreply@blogger.com